Mo’ playtests, Mo’ problems

May as well be a SW...

S’Right. I’ve been playing with myself again. Sorry.
Can’t help it.

OK, a load more extensive playtesting over the last week. I’ve mainly been hammering GK vs Wolves vs BA. I’ve only beaten the Coteaz spam lists with Wolves. The wolf list from last week (here) was good, but wasn’t quite right. This seems closer and has beaten the Coteaz spam going first, second and across a range of missions. But it’s lost too so hey ho.. I like it:

The Big Dog –290 TWM, TH/SS, Runic Armour, WTN, 2 x Pups, Saga of Bear

Rune Priest Fafnir– Chooser, LL, Jaws 110

Wolf Guard x 5, 1 x TDA/CML/PW/Combi Plasma, 4 x Combi Weapons, 4 x PW 200

Grey Hunters x 5, Meltagun, Rhino, HKM – 125 points RunePriest joins here

Grey Hunters x 5, Meltagun, Razorback –TLHB,HKM – 130 points WG w Combi Melta/PW

Grey Hunters x 5, Meltagun, Razorback –TLHB, HKM – 130 points WG w Combi Melta/PW

Grey Hunters x 5, Meltagun, Razorback –TLHB, HKM – 130 points WG w Combi Melta/PW

Grey Hunters x 5, Plasmagun, Razorback –TLHB, HKM – 135 points WG w Combi Plasma/PW

Grey Hunters x 5, Plasmagun 85 points WG w. Terminator, PW, CPlas, CML

Long Fangs x 6 – 5 Missile Launchers – 140 points

Long Fangs x 6 – 5 Missile Launchers – 140 points

Long Fangs x 6 – 5 Missile Launchers– 140 points

A very decent initial volley with 22 missiles and D6 S7 from LL.
Plus I am still moving into position and firing.
From T2 onwards I am down from my previous missile total (from previous tournament of 20 ML shots per turn) to just 17 per turn
I now get the Rune Priest back in to 4+ “No” Grey Knights, making suppression actually semi-useful again and closing down Hammerhand etc. on occasion.
Plenty of melta.
Plenty of plasma.
Power Weapons in every GH pack.
Big Dog running around acting all crazy and drawing fire.
And learning from previous tournament mistakes, I have a cheap scoring unit that can hold home objectives, provide good ranged support and can put the hurt on units coming towards it using plasma and power weapon.
From T2 onwards I will have 4 TLHB putting out anti infantry fire into small MSU units so common at tournaments, plus they are able to harass backfield units with decent range such as mirror Long Fangs. Vs Dark Eldar they are useful for anti-skimmer work, vs Nids they help put wounds on MC’s, but generally just eat Genestealers etc.

I have to be honest, I really like this list, but I am just not sold on S5 HB’s. I’ve alyways thought the Heavy Bolter was a crap weapon, only with Psybolts have I been loving it as I can spam S6 easily (my Coteaz list has 8 of them).

S5 just doesn’t really cut it for me. Although it is useful vs infantry for wounding easily and forcing saves.

Its costing me 5 points per unit of GH to run a Razor instead of a Rhino. I am losing my top hatch though, so the unit becomes vulnerable and foot. However, I am pretty adept these days at protecting my units from counter assaults using the rhino hulls, a skill honed from running the Immospam BA a while back. So this is a negligible down side. I was finding I’d be driving 12” anyway a lot of the time to get into 6” melta range for that killer blow.

At least I can shoot and harass units with a TLHB.
I will admit that I don’t like the HB sans Psybolts. But in playtesting, I’ve actually found it very useful.

Thoughts please guys? I’m going back to painting Neverborn Malifaux models and organising ‘special treatment’ at the lappers for the stag this weekend..