So, yea, my name is Gary Percival and I have a problem. I'm a hobby butterfly.
6th is really doing my noodle in, so many things viable, so many codex's now a possible, i'm having trouble settling on what I want to use for the 2013 season. Nids, Crons, Blood Angels...all have piqued my interest.
But i've decided, for sure...vanilla marines. Done.
Why?
Frankly because you get more bang for your buck, once you have a core you can turn a generic space marine army in to wolfs, blood angels, dark angels etc, and to be honest with a little one on the way I don't know when I will be able to afford another army. So this will be added to for a while to create new types of army's.
So what am I planning for the 2013 season?
Well I want something balanced, something with lots of options (as trying to predict the meta at any given tournie is a nightmare) something where I don't really care too much what I'm facing. I want strong scoring that also but also built to do the secondary missions as they are so so important now.
So this is the core - and it has a fair bit of melta purely as wraiths seem to be turning up at the moment - but these can easily be switched out to add a new key unit or option if some new star rises..
Librarian, terminator armor and combi melta, force axe, null zone and gate- 135
10 stern guard - 250
pod - 35
Iron clad, 2 hunter killers, melta and heavy flamer - 165
pod - 35
10 sniper scouts, telion - 190
aegis line with lascannon - 85
10 marines, plasma gun, missile launcher-180
10 marines, melta, multi melta, combi melta - 185
pod -35
storm talon with assault cannon and cyclone - 155
2 multi melta attack bikes - 100
thunderfire cannon - 100
vindicator -115
whirlwind - 85
So why do I think its good? Well combat tactics is amazing, null zone is ace at getting those daemons and wraiths. My first blood potential is strong and vanguard should be easy. Ive got fast attack and heavy's plus up to 6 scoring units for objective missions. There is something there for every job and multiple attack vectors for what ever army I face.
Combat tactics really keeps my warlord alive and cant be under estimated and the "fade and fire" warfare style really is a valid tactic - falling back from where the enemy makes a strong push and then use the new rally rules to then surround and pulverize....it makes me happy :)
There is SO much this army can do well (rather than one or two things really well like most army's) that I cant even list all the tactics Ive been using. It really rewards thinking a turn or two ahead and being familiar with MY army rather than prescribed internet tactics. (In a vain way I think part of what I'm going for is eeking out a niche for myself "that marine player that seems to always do well" rather than "that guy that won with 18 wraiths...again...yawn")
Some changes may be just taking the libby down to just bare bones and getting some combi meltas in the sternguard - but vengeance rounds and null zone seem to be nobbling wraiths just fine. I'm also tempted to take some scouts bikes with a melta bomb and power axe too instead of the attack bike's and the libby's terminator armor. This potentially can allow me to gate a tactical squad in, drop the stern guard and iron clad in too and then charge the scout bikes in too on turn one (if going second)- really aggressive, which I like. The scout bikes with t5 really can tie up certain units in combat, which then should reduce the incoming flak for the other three units.
Anyway I digress and I'd be interested in your thoughts.
Finally my Blog Wars 4 list - moded a little due to the special nature of the missions. Can you guess the sneaky plan? - But bear in mind its also for a bit of fun :)
Libby, null zone, gate, force axe - 100
10 stern guard - 250
pod - 35
Iron clad, 2 hunter killers, melta, chainfist- 155
pod - 35
10 sniper scouts, telion - 190
aegis line with lascannon - 85
10 marines, plasma gun, missile launcher-180
Razorback - twin assault cannon - 75
10 marines, melta, multi melta, combi melta - 185
pod -35
storm talon with assault cannon and cyclone - 155
thunderfire cannon - 100
vindicator -115
Predator, heavy bolter sponsons, Chronus - 155
Oh and check the points for me :P
Gary
Like both the lists. Going for something similar myself with Executioners.
ReplyDeleteBe interested to see how you do with it. Good luck.
BDS
Hi! I like the lists and thought behind the concept. I find myself forced to start a new army (lost mine to a stupid trunk malfunction...) and I view my project in a similar way.
ReplyDeleteI like the list, though I would add some combi-meltas to the Sternguards as you suggested (maybe some meltabombs too). List 1 is my favourite, more so if you go with the scout bikers idea. Not sure I get the sneaky plan with List 2 - could be why I'm less thrilled by it.
JP
its not that sneeky really, its just special characters count as scoring. So i get a scoring predator which then has the character bail out and scramble to objectives if the pred dies :P.
ReplyDeletealso another thought occurs to beat the wraith menace:
Librarian, force axe, null zone and gate- 100
Rune Priest - jaws, hurricane, runic armour axe - 120
10 stern guard, 4 combi meltas - 270
pod - 35
Iron clad, 2 hunter killers, melta and heavy flamer - 165
pod - 35
10 sniper scouts, telion - 190
aegis line with lascannon - 85
10 marines, plasma gun, missile launcher-180
10 grey hunters, x2 melta, totem, wulfen - 180
pod -35
storm talon with assault cannon and cyclone - 155
thunderfire cannon - 100
vindicator -115
whirlwind - 85
I like it.. especially the Sternguard.. I thought you might use them differently.. but they work nicely as they are.. I think I misread your text earlier.. thought you were putting the gate libbie with the Stern and "Veiling" them..
ReplyDeleteBringing in Jaws always works vs Wraiths, Nid MC's and Daemons too.. all round nice, cracking psychic defence.. and you get the Emperor's Hounds into action, where they need to be!
Not sure about the Storm Talon, but it is a cheap nod to anti air.. decent enough, i've only played against it twice I think at tournies and was not impressed.. but it could be very useful.
Not sure how many Wraiths will actually be at BW4 tbh mate.. No idea who is really going.. Sternguard and Null Zone is great though.. and for tackling demons.. plus you have the "wounds on 2+" one for Nid MCs as well.. they are a cracking unit, just a tad expensive for me.. Maybe in a Perdo list where they score too.. or with Lysander in a Pod.. nasty, bolter drill..
Yep, new list sound better. I'm curious as to where the runepriest will go though? He can't ride with the hunters cause SW pods only have 10 seats... pretty sure he can't ride with anyone else either since you can't use allies' transports. Is he sticking with the footslogging tactical and the other libby, gating in where needed?
ReplyDeleteAnd last but not least: is the Whirlwind that usefull? I know it got a small boost in 6th, but still I'm not sure it's worth it and I believe a dakka pred could be better, if only to support and divert fire from your razorback.
JP
Yea its would be gate-ing around the place with the libby and whatever squad has been joined (probably the grey hunters)
Deleteand as for whirlwinds. They are ace. Its basically an 85 point sniper with 3 hull points. Its awsome for picking out heavy weapons such as psycannons and putting wounds on geq's in cover :)
well thats the joy of it, i can use it like that. With 3 drop pods i get 2 units dropping first turn and then i can "veil" in the tacticals or sternguard too so i give 3 immediate threats to a part of the board. ;)
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