tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1742113396089797587.post7364135213946859684..comments2024-02-12T08:18:40.120+00:00Comments on Sons of Sanguinius: How to beat my Necrons - a guide for Blog WarsVenerable Brotherhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07216367267460059729noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1742113396089797587.post-20977604711103811842012-05-24T04:18:58.801+01:002012-05-24T04:18:58.801+01:00Glad that he ruled with you - common sense agrees ...Glad that he ruled with you - common sense agrees that you can "see" out of an open topped vehicle.<br /><br />However! Common sense also says you can "see" out of a fire point. To use your example above, saying you can't "see" out of an open car window is just about as non-sensical as saying you can't "see" out of motorbike. That point of the FAQ bugs me for that very reason - you should be able to draw LOS out of either, by common sense. Sadly, they FAQ'd that you can't "see" out of a fire point except to fire, and I can't think of any good common sense argument that allows you to deny LOS from a fire point that doesn't also deny LOS from an open topped vehicle.htmLordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12059355621633123714noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1742113396089797587.post-66132389966986736542012-05-23T11:49:57.404+01:002012-05-23T11:49:57.404+01:00Final note on this.. tournament organiser has rule...Final note on this.. tournament organiser has ruled that he can use Mind in the Machine from on top of his Barge. <br /><br />you know, the Barge with an unobscured view of his surroundings.. easy for him to you know..look at machines and take them over with his mind..Venerable Brotherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07216367267460059729noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1742113396089797587.post-55556159080462490242012-05-23T06:57:09.170+01:002012-05-23T06:57:09.170+01:00Anonymous - if you a sat inside your car, with pas...Anonymous - if you a sat inside your car, with passengers, is it plausible to only shoot out of the window, not hurting said passengers or damaging the vehicle? This is the fire point. <br />If you are the sole occupant on a motorbike, can you freely point your gun abd shoot? this is the benefit of an open topped vehicle. <br />The rulebook tells us to draw los and shoot, measuring from any point of the hull. <br />The rulebook also tells us that open topped vehicles do not have firepoints. <br />Sorry bud, it is utterly moronic to suggest that we are not given any guidance on this, nor is it a sensible conclusion that a character /model will sit around in confusion because he can't see a firepoint on his OPEN topped vehicle.Venerable Brotherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07216367267460059729noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1742113396089797587.post-47458423378957272442012-05-23T04:12:27.528+01:002012-05-23T04:12:27.528+01:00Argh, I said "he can not shoot either", ...Argh, I said "he can not shoot either", poor wording considering the whole problem is that's it NOT shooting :-) Please read "he can not use his power either".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1742113396089797587.post-9647366443997530812012-05-23T04:10:20.169+01:002012-05-23T04:10:20.169+01:00The problem is, the rulebook defines precisely wha...The problem is, the rulebook defines precisely what to do when *shooting* from a vehicle, and... that's it. It doesn't define how to draw LoS for units inside a vehicle at all. The FAQ clarified what happens when you have Fire Points, it doesn't say anything for when you haven't. Considering this, there are 2 ways to play IMHO:<br />- Follow the Fire Points rules for open-topped vehicles. Anrakyr can not use his power.<br />- Follow the base rules for drawing LoS out of an open-topped vehicle. There isn't any, therefore he can not shoot either...<br /><br />I do agree it's idiotic and should be clarified better in the FAQ (Either by mentioning open-topped vehicles in the questions/answers or by adding a specific question for drawing LoS from them)<br /><br />In the meantime, if you want to use Anrakyr, I suggest to make sure tournament judges/opponents agree with you on how to handle this situation, to prevent conflicts...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1742113396089797587.post-48890975488716136492012-05-22T15:25:04.387+01:002012-05-22T15:25:04.387+01:00Dude..it's OPEN topped. They lean over the fre...Dude..it's OPEN topped. They lean over the freaking side of the chariot.. they rotate their arm and point in something's general direction.. Fire points are restrictive due to the constraint of being INSIDE a chuffin vehicle! <br /><br />I'll ask the tournie organiser, but there is no logical/rules grounding for an open topped vehicle to be restricted..Venerable Brotherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07216367267460059729noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1742113396089797587.post-58750283112613707832012-05-22T14:14:03.964+01:002012-05-22T14:14:03.964+01:00If they don't have firepoints, then how do the...If they don't have firepoints, then how do they shoot out the top ;) <br /><br />It';s up to you but the ETC have ruled it that way, as has every major UK tourney :( Up to you how you play it though :DKillswitchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03870259848881215847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1742113396089797587.post-45084444906418043402012-05-22T13:58:14.910+01:002012-05-22T13:58:14.910+01:00It says this where in the rulebook mate? Cause in ...It says this where in the rulebook mate? Cause in mine it says that open topped vehicle don't have firepoints? <br /><br />;) <br /><br />Please note, this is playful banter bro..Venerable Brotherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07216367267460059729noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1742113396089797587.post-43155931254669306392012-05-22T13:56:49.006+01:002012-05-22T13:56:49.006+01:00So how does a unit shoot out of an open topped veh...So how does a unit shoot out of an open topped vehicle? Open topped = one giant firepoint.Killswitchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03870259848881215847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1742113396089797587.post-15860435568446202392012-05-22T12:29:15.298+01:002012-05-22T12:29:15.298+01:00That's an organisers ruling then? based on wha...That's an organisers ruling then? based on what rules? <br />Check open topped vehicles in the rulebook.. they do not have firepoints.. this FAQ from Jan'12 does not apply to open topped vehicles. <br />Think mate. It's illogical and unsupported to suggest otherwise. <br /><br />The spirit nor word of 40k law does not follow on this one bra'h..Venerable Brotherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07216367267460059729noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1742113396089797587.post-18589001849553166442012-05-22T12:00:45.209+01:002012-05-22T12:00:45.209+01:00UK tournaments will say otherwise :P
Bring it ;)UK tournaments will say otherwise :P<br /><br />Bring it ;)Killswitchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03870259848881215847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1742113396089797587.post-76906901213268175842012-05-22T10:59:29.223+01:002012-05-22T10:59:29.223+01:00Also, this is a Blog Wars army, it is tough but no...Also, this is a Blog Wars army, it is tough but not the best. I have been using Wraiths in at full blown tournaments since Jan..but don't like them for 1750 or in this build. As for taking your whole armies shooting Atreides.. is that also true for a unit of 12 Space Marines.. they are the same thing.. the weight of fire you can muster can drop 12 marines right? Just through lasgun fire even! <br />I know they are 3++, but they still drop to weight of fire.. as does everything dude. <br /><br />Alex, you'll never be comfortable playing me bitch :pVenerable Brotherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07216367267460059729noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1742113396089797587.post-55469326322804941902012-05-22T10:55:33.451+01:002012-05-22T10:55:33.451+01:00Why Alex?
I've quoted the FAQ. The rulebook s...Why Alex? <br />I've quoted the FAQ. The rulebook stipulates that Open Topped Vehicles do not have fire points. You do not treat the whole vehicle as a fire point, they simply do not have them. <br />:)Venerable Brotherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07216367267460059729noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1742113396089797587.post-30697229229028821112012-05-22T10:07:45.631+01:002012-05-22T10:07:45.631+01:00personally i knew this stuff already, but it doesn...personally i knew this stuff already, but it doesn't make it any easier to beat the bastards. Necrons are a very tough match-up for me.Atreideshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05304081312256836817noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1742113396089797587.post-71101912966908701512012-05-22T10:07:01.238+01:002012-05-22T10:07:01.238+01:00i agree, Wraiths consistently take my entire armie...i agree, Wraiths consistently take my entire armies' shooting and emerge unscathed, bloody things.Atreideshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05304081312256836817noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1742113396089797587.post-35620995594775863502012-05-22T09:25:26.721+01:002012-05-22T09:25:26.721+01:00Just so you know Andy, Anrakyr can't use his v...Just so you know Andy, Anrakyr can't use his vehicle control ability from inside a Barge? Just to let you know :)<br /><br />Scarabs don't scare me, it's wraiths, so I'll be fairly comfortable playing you Ven with that :pKillswitchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03870259848881215847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1742113396089797587.post-73552267679910305912012-05-22T06:36:50.192+01:002012-05-22T06:36:50.192+01:00That will do it..you certainly have the tools. We ...That will do it..you certainly have the tools. We both know you have the skill to do it. Demo vets still in? scarabs or veiled immortal units , probably immortal units are a great target there... <br />Did you fibd this useful or is it all too obvious?Venerable Brotherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07216367267460059729noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1742113396089797587.post-10848577705020805362012-05-21T22:39:48.553+01:002012-05-21T22:39:48.553+01:00interesting. i took my normal guard list with har...interesting. i took my normal guard list with harker instead of a chimera. i mean, i have to at least attempt to stop you right?Atreideshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05304081312256836817noreply@blogger.com