tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1742113396089797587.post4670989643688551964..comments2024-02-12T08:18:40.120+00:00Comments on Sons of Sanguinius: Black Templars Feedback RequiredVenerable Brotherhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07216367267460059729noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1742113396089797587.post-87973993009910606082011-06-27T19:40:57.864+01:002011-06-27T19:40:57.864+01:00I've seen that list on BW.tk what can I say? T...I've seen that list on BW.tk what can I say? Terrible!<br /><br />If he doesn't hit his own guy from time to time then he's either not firing his vindi or not in the mix with his CC terminators. So either way, some part of the list isn't being used properly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1742113396089797587.post-34094751702227672612011-06-26T21:12:44.090+01:002011-06-26T21:12:44.090+01:00haha damn right!
Actually speaking of that - the...haha damn right! <br /><br />Actually speaking of that - the dude that played Andy first round of BWL is back with basically the same list - which has a vindy + Deathwing terms (4 squads) I wonder if he's ever landed on his own dudes.Bullyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18376322430128578637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1742113396089797587.post-69868425088528614162011-06-26T21:07:26.464+01:002011-06-26T21:07:26.464+01:00Just keep your terminators out of the way Bully. ;...Just keep your terminators out of the way Bully. ;)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1742113396089797587.post-29495147336632914932011-06-26T20:24:42.062+01:002011-06-26T20:24:42.062+01:00Theres some pretty funky lists you can rock with t...Theres some pretty funky lists you can rock with the POTMS and BT's - hell even vindies become somewhat cool with it!Bullyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18376322430128578637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1742113396089797587.post-42012233399532386612011-06-26T17:13:19.501+01:002011-06-26T17:13:19.501+01:00I'll investigate. Really appreciate the tips b...I'll investigate. Really appreciate the tips bud. Potms bit ba, bit gk... hmmm I could go for thatVenerable Brotherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07216367267460059729noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1742113396089797587.post-20248611341863074282011-06-26T17:03:30.109+01:002011-06-26T17:03:30.109+01:00sort of... but harder to supress.sort of... but harder to supress.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1742113396089797587.post-58476596869857149742011-06-26T16:50:47.920+01:002011-06-26T16:50:47.920+01:00Appreciate the effort Bro, like the list, still ma...Appreciate the effort Bro, like the list, still maintains the heavy terminator element. .I'll give it a few games, see what's what with it. <br /><br />Potms lists for templars- expensive mech ba?Venerable Brotherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07216367267460059729noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1742113396089797587.post-73781507975505873222011-06-26T16:11:04.765+01:002011-06-26T16:11:04.765+01:00My only concern is foot templars are problematic. ...My only concern is foot templars are problematic. The marshal needs a good 100 points investing in him to make him work and coupled with the EC that's almost 300 points gone, without a great deal for it.<br /><br />If you go with a hybrid foot list, things can work out a lot better.<br /><br />The AV11 rhino hulls provide saturation for lower strength weapons to keep speeders alive. Predators to take some fire away from the terminators and you can get away with fewer troops.<br /><br />EC - Abhor - 110<br /><br />Termies - 2 x CML (tank hunters) - 265<br />Termies - 2 x CML (tank hunters) - 265<br />Termies - 2 x CML (tank hunters) - 265<br /><br />Crusader Squad - MM/melta - rhino, smoke - 153<br />Crusader Squad - MM/melta - rhino, smoke - 153<br />Crusader Squad - Las/plas, 4 neophytes - 141<br /><br />Speeder - TML/HB - 70<br />Speeder - TML/HB - 70<br /><br />Predator - Auto/Las, smoke, searchlight - 129<br />Predator - Auto/Las, smoke, searchlight - 129<br /><br />1750<br /><br />... but we arrive at something a little different to what you started with.<br /><br />From your original list, you've exchanged the terminators for 2 predators and the marshal for some more survivable troops. The list is probably better done with Stelek's 2+2+2+2... system. The speeders immediately have more impact and the predators will make target priority more difficult.<br /><br />If you want something different why not explore this list with PotMS... that's where BT DO come into their own. losing another unit of terminators bags you PotMS for the preds and PotMS razorbacks, but that's a whole different list.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1742113396089797587.post-62857024172323529682011-06-26T15:31:34.009+01:002011-06-26T15:31:34.009+01:00Looking for a difference in play with marines from...Looking for a difference in play with marines from mech, so pretty keen on all foot... I love termies too, but I can live with 3Venerable Brotherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07216367267460059729noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1742113396089797587.post-29272050239188689872011-06-26T15:06:50.160+01:002011-06-26T15:06:50.160+01:00Quick question then... how much do you want 4 term...Quick question then... how much do you want 4 terminator units and how keen are you for it to be an all foot list?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1742113396089797587.post-14860058486048736002011-06-26T15:01:48.912+01:002011-06-26T15:01:48.912+01:00@brad, like alex says it doesn't have a big im...@brad, like alex says it doesn't have a big impact, but I just don't think I can afford to not get those points. <br /><br />@BroLo...I liked the speeders cause they are so cheap but I think you may be right, they are fragile. Can change the asscannons over to missiles then too, maintains the long range shooting and improves survivability. Add bodies to the troops?<br />Thoughts on troops? I know I need more units and/or bodies, but not sure how to get them?Venerable Brotherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07216367267460059729noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1742113396089797587.post-45805730458350161202011-06-25T23:11:31.787+01:002011-06-25T23:11:31.787+01:00Good point on the speeders - this is why I really ...Good point on the speeders - this is why I really don't like every man and his dog putting them in deathwing lists. First game I used them, the dude had a really bad list, but had like 2 AT guns, blew them out of the sky straight off the table. Its so true, those "spare" heavy bolters (on that lone HB razor back or something else random) just ends up hitting 3 times and getting a pen or glance, and thats it done (whats worse is that DW speeders can't even deepstrike!) <br /><br />I'd love to see more on the footlist stuff though BroLo, article on 3++ maybe? <br /><br />I'd offer more advice on this style of list if I knew really how I'd go about using it, I'd have an idea, but the troops would be what has me stumped - they are static - so kind of have to be in position, plus as much as I'd like to think I know the way BT's work, I don't lol. I need to give that codex a damn good read in full again.Bullyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18376322430128578637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1742113396089797587.post-2638587817462424042011-06-25T23:05:26.875+01:002011-06-25T23:05:26.875+01:00Hmmm... shame you've not really had any of the...Hmmm... shame you've not really had any of the feedback you were requesting. <br /><br />The list is 1793 (inc. the Adamantine mantle), so a good distance from the 1750 you need. I say that because the Mantle makes or breaks this kind of list, so is a must... trust me, I know. ;)<br /><br />Just in case you didn't know... The marshal has to buy the skill of the command squad, so that's another 3 points added. I assume you know, but unlike other SM codices, the Marshal MUST stay attached to the command squad but doesn't have to have terminator armour if you just want him to take the AP1-2 hits. I'm not saying termie armour is bad by the way.<br /><br />Taking the asscan squad is a bit odd. They need to be at <24" when the rest of the list wants to be at the limit of their range for as long as possible.<br /><br />The worst part of this list... speeders. I don't really get why people put them into these sort of lists. Where will any S4+, AP3+ weaponry go? If they don't go down turn 1, then your opponent is doing something wrong. You're making target priority for your opponent easy and losing 4 missiles without causing your opponent any problems. Predators on the other hand work well with these list because AV13 requires a decent gun to drop it. Those guns... will be AP1/2, so their presence protects the terminators. Also good for objective protection and tank-shocking should your opponent not wish to invest their high str weapons into them.<br /><br />21 marines that will be within 12" of your board edge and that do not have any significant protection is a very risky strategy. Even if they are Ld 10. I can see them GtG a lot.<br /><br />With regards to the scoring... I've discussed this with Killswitch. Performance at a tournament should be a personal achievement in the sense that if you want to win on battle points, just look at the result of the battle points at the end of the tournament. The way you spent your prize money from Blog Wars shows that YOUR hobby is more important than the prize. BW was my first tournament (within my first 10 games). I came about mid table on battle points, but about 27 out of 30 because my list was newly bought so I could play in the tourney. I was happy with the mid table as that was all I cared about.<br /><br />If you want more thoughts on a foot list, just ask. I have a lot of cheeky tricks up my sleeve.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1742113396089797587.post-79948216563235526102011-06-25T17:19:51.724+01:002011-06-25T17:19:51.724+01:00@ Brad its 6 points which isnt much. Most people w...@ Brad its 6 points which isnt much. Most people wont get it so overall it rarely effects the overall placing. Ive won a few of their events without having Wysiwyg :PKillswitchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03870259848881215847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1742113396089797587.post-77103290285997983832011-06-25T16:39:20.808+01:002011-06-25T16:39:20.808+01:00LOL is that Joke?? Marking people down for not ha...LOL is that Joke?? Marking people down for not having the correct type of Grenades on each figure?<br /><br />Hmmm I was contemplating making the long journey down to Brighton for one of the events but now I think I'll save the petrol money. I'm all for rewarding people with painted armies but that takes the piss.<br /><br />@Ven, don't listen to that little WaaC'in wimp I reckon you've got the makings of a good list there. I'd like to see those 20 Terminators plus friends shifted off an objective that easily. I think the Templar's definitely do footslogging Terminators much better than Logan wing nowadays.Bradimus Primehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16338358016421779720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1742113396089797587.post-9102443429878292642011-06-25T14:59:01.409+01:002011-06-25T14:59:01.409+01:00@Killswitch..if I go AAC I'll need to lose a f...@Killswitch..if I go AAC I'll need to lose a few bits, adamantine mantle on marshall and a neophyte probably, so not much...i'll try it out.. <br /><br />@Bully, I'm out and about at minute..tomorrow I'll be around and throw out some more ideas..if i'm not too hungover...Venerable Brothernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1742113396089797587.post-47673654686115509122011-06-25T14:52:21.453+01:002011-06-25T14:52:21.453+01:002nd time this week I've got rules mixed up lol...2nd time this week I've got rules mixed up lol.<br /><br />Ven, what is the sort of Loganwing or Deathwing list you'd be running, as those are the ones I think they'd match up against in terms of style/models? <br /><br />I got a game in with the jump chaplin, since you mention him- and while it did "help" one combat (removed him from command squad, where he soaked a wound for the team, to another squad which boshed some zerkers) - it really wasn't worth it for the cost. I think if your finding the points for a chaplin, I'd just get AAC on the champ. <br /><br />(Next on the list is the Belial/Ezekial 6 terminator squads - I think I'll have to find a way to get 3 or 4 chain fists into that list though, zero LRaider stopping power otherwise)Bullyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18376322430128578637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1742113396089797587.post-66703613021940563442011-06-25T11:45:47.612+01:002011-06-25T11:45:47.612+01:00Punch him in the face for it then lol
Well yeh th...Punch him in the face for it then lol<br /><br />Well yeh theres always the lascannons but even my Guard army doesnt de mech every vehicle over 5 turns :( just happens man. I like the de mech elements, but clearing objectives will be reliant on the termies punching face, which is why I think ull miss the AAAC. Well Daemons was an example, others are mephiston, Blood angel termies, paladinsz etc. just my 2 cents bro, still a gd list.Killswitchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03870259848881215847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1742113396089797587.post-5997170788340596262011-06-25T11:24:52.569+01:002011-06-25T11:24:52.569+01:00I thought that Andy - every single model in my arm...I thought that Andy - every single model in my army is converted lol - still didn't get it. But I will this time, damn it. Just found some extra nades :/Bullyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18376322430128578637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1742113396089797587.post-62941128298362856372011-06-25T11:11:18.562+01:002011-06-25T11:11:18.562+01:00I quite like the list actually. Foot templars are ...I quite like the list actually. Foot templars are nasty. As for wysiwyg, I don't give a crap. If he thinks my feral guardsmen and various other conversions constitute lack of effort then he is clearly insane.Atreideshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05304081312256836817noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1742113396089797587.post-29981410409363157952011-06-25T11:09:42.945+01:002011-06-25T11:09:42.945+01:00@Killswitch and Simo...RE: WYSIWYG.I'm fine wi...@Killswitch and Simo...RE: WYSIWYG.I'm fine with it and normally just say 'screw it'..but with so many people its real important to get all the extras imho. <br />@Killswitch...the S5 Frag thing is Bully not me mate...combat armies..agreed. disagree on tank though...how have they gotten past all the missiles and powerfists? Have they ensured they are not in the path of the lascannons? <br />RE Demons...yeah agreed...but think about the context bro...1 demon army going? likelihood? slim... whereas there are plenty of grey knights, wolves, marines, blood angels, IG...plenty of metal boxes to kill... <br />Agree on mobility though... <br />Could squeeze up to AAC for EC but don't really want to.. <br />thanks for feedback bro... ;)Venerable Brothernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1742113396089797587.post-71124087682436250612011-06-25T10:42:34.348+01:002011-06-25T10:42:34.348+01:00oh yeah forgot about that its tank hunter lol.
D...oh yeah forgot about that its tank hunter lol. <br /><br />Doubt tanks are there to tank shock though lol. Lack of troops (and not great ones at that) are an issue. Shame the BT troops section is a bit of a flop :/ <br /><br />HIS WYSIWYG sucks. I had grenades and pistols on everything, but because I didn't have 2 sets of grenandes ruining the aesthetics of my model even further, I lost those points. I had grenades on them ... simple as that lol. Not this time, I'll add the 1 bit of plastic to each model on top of the 2 bits of crap I already added to further make the biker legs look like trash haha.Bullyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18376322430128578637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1742113396089797587.post-22876443975173008112011-06-25T10:18:01.032+01:002011-06-25T10:18:01.032+01:00Petes a good guy and a great gamer, but he does th...Petes a good guy and a great gamer, but he does the WYSIWYG for 2 reasons. One to stop people bringing 3 colours based armies just to smash their opponents with, painting the army last minute with no detail etc. Secondly to promote the hobby. There are players who go to the Brighton club who are mainly in it for the Hobby and it caters for those who put that extra bit of effort into their army. Its anal in terms of competitiveness but his trying to promote the hobby side of things, which imo his failing at. Secretly I tghink he just loves dicking people over with points xD<br /><br />As for the army, don't like it. No mobility, slow moving, easily knocked off objectives via tank shock, no large threat like TH/SS in combat, so combat armies will role it. Anti tank is nice, but where did you get str 5 frags from? They are str 4 against troops. <br /><br />Just my 2 cents. Its got great anti tank but without accept any challenge, combats lacking a bit, would love to see you face off against daemons with this :DKillswitchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03870259848881215847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1742113396089797587.post-2943150929455568192011-06-25T09:37:16.008+01:002011-06-25T09:37:16.008+01:00Yup.
Last BWL I lost all my WYIWYG points because...Yup.<br /><br />Last BWL I lost all my WYIWYG points because my bikers were only modelled with 1 set of grenades - which are "packs of two" - which is beyond GW standard. Annoying and cost me like 3 or 4 places. <br /><br />This time won't be the case!Bullyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18376322430128578637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1742113396089797587.post-85616544737482011682011-06-25T09:23:18.260+01:002011-06-25T09:23:18.260+01:00I know its only 6 points but any judge who takes m...I know its only 6 points but any judge who takes marks off for lack of grenades needs his head testing. Does he also mark down grey hunters who only have one weapon?Simonoreply@blogger.com