tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1742113396089797587.post3799642751317474285..comments2024-02-12T08:18:40.120+00:00Comments on Sons of Sanguinius: The Voice Speaks - Blood Angels 1850. Return of the Mech Venerable Brotherhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07216367267460059729noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1742113396089797587.post-34070422564729464142013-07-20T04:09:53.335+01:002013-07-20T04:09:53.335+01:00I've recently started playing assualt cannon r...I've recently started playing assualt cannon razor squads as well. But, I only run four with just a melta gun in each squad, a librarian with shield and fear, drop pod death company with 10 bolters and hammer, predators with lascannon sponsons( 2 preds), two baal preds( with bolters) and two furioso's with any loadout with drop pods. So far its kicked ass and no one is prepared for all that armor. All the dark eldar/eldar combos that have been tormenting me before I ran this list are utterly laughable. Michael Buelnahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07202689908901021931noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1742113396089797587.post-72212330919239614342012-10-29T15:13:58.334+00:002012-10-29T15:13:58.334+00:00Hey Voice,
Your last list posted looks the most s...Hey Voice,<br /><br />Your last list posted looks the most solid. A friend of mine (someone who I would rank as a pretty good player, usually!) took a mech BA army to the last ToS event. Yes, it isn't that competitive, but he won't be taking it to the upcoming GT heat as it simply died far too easily. Top-table is Necrons and Daemons these days, it seems, and unfortunately, your first 1850 list hasn't got the durability to take on one of those lists at that many points. <br /><br />I think your last list is a big improvement - you're right, the Librarian with NZ is worth his weight in gold - would definitely be edgeing towards that. Nightrunerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02677655882056200820noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1742113396089797587.post-78603942716567932152012-10-29T10:54:06.157+00:002012-10-29T10:54:06.157+00:00Here's a slightly modifyed list - some has men...Here's a slightly modifyed list - some has mentioned that screamers and wraiths will still be able to catch up and ruin my day. so:<br /><br />Libby - shield, fear, axe<br /><br />5 ass, plasma - Assaultback<br />5 ass, plasma - Assaultback<br />5 ass, plasma - Assaultback<br />5 ass, plasma - Assaultback<br />5 ass, plasma - Assaultback<br /><br />Aegis line, lascannon<br /><br />Pred, autcannon, heavy bolters<br />Pred, autcannon, heavy bolters<br />Vindi<br /><br /><br />Libby - Null zone, avenger, axe<br />5 Scout, sniper, telion<br />Storm talon, assault cannon and missiles (though this can easily get swapped for a baal still)<br />Pred, autocannon, heavy bolters<br /><br />You lose a vehicle but give a headache to deamons and wraiths and hq's in general. As well as getting some more anti flyer and a sniping lascannon to pop at those problem models. <br /><br />The Voicenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1742113396089797587.post-71870155825836675172012-10-28T20:16:27.095+00:002012-10-28T20:16:27.095+00:00Not sure on the gun on the bastion not being able ...Not sure on the gun on the bastion not being able to be destroyed. The bastion and aegis defence wall can purchase a "Gun Emplacement with...", so what counters the line under Gun Emplacement (p105) that says "The gun emplacement can be shot at and attacked in close combat...and has the following profile:". Page 97 shows us that Quad guns and Icarus lascannons are emplaced weapons, but nothing stops a Gun Emplacement from being shot at as per p105.<br /><br />Regarding the main trust of the article I think it's spot on, and certain armies such as blood angels will still be able to play mech well. I think guard mech with infantry support will also do well.<br /><br />I second Venerable Brother's advice to have a few las/plas razorbacks as they can move 12" and fire both weapons.<br /><br />Only weakness I can easily see would probably be av14, however how many av14 we'll see in competitive lists when some armies DE/Eldar/Necrons etc. can destroy them so easily is doubtful, outside IG which can bubblewrap leman russ' with cheap infantry with a nearby veteran squad nearby for triple plasma retaliation.<br /><br />Rathstar<br />Rathstarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08799690336241322474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1742113396089797587.post-14685214816433069152012-10-28T19:23:13.014+00:002012-10-28T19:23:13.014+00:00Nice list. Will take some people by surprise. I wo...Nice list. Will take some people by surprise. I would consider taking three Baal Preds with either flame cannon/HB or TL Assault Cannon/Hvy Flmer.<br /><br />That outflank makes it great for nabbing all the exposed infantry that hits the table now.<br /><br />Then run 2 Vindi's.<br /><br />BDSBDShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15815038955515902344noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1742113396089797587.post-69997465897823139592012-10-28T13:15:37.171+00:002012-10-28T13:15:37.171+00:00Well it was the bastion that got the nod for a few...Well it was the bastion that got the nod for a few reasons:<br /><br />Its more av to spread the incoming fire power thinner<br /><br />I think aegis's suit gun lines more than mobile mech , i dont want bodies behind a wall - i want them behind walls of steel!!! :P<br /><br />The quad gun, while part of the bastion, cannot be destroyed separately. So your anti flyer stuff gun is not t7 with 2 wounds...its the gun on an immobile landraider. Much tougher. If you want that gun dead you have to shoot the av14 tower. Shots that are not going in to my other mech.<br /><br /><br />I see your point about the crypeks with haywire, but at the end of the day they have to get out to do it within 12 inches. So they should then get shot up by survivors, taking out some of their scoring. Necron builds (as much as me and you think they should do) dont always have them though :P<br /><br />Also- yea the las/plas turrents was a tempter - at the end of the day the points are a straight swap so i can play about with it.<br /><br />Im not saying this is the next big thing. But i do like it. I like curve ball ideas and dont like following the trend so its appealing. Plus its bangles - ive been looking for a way of getting them going again after my doa went doa :( - they are my fave loyalist chapter.Gary Percivalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17533811098777874849noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1742113396089797587.post-18243334445500399822012-10-28T11:38:47.815+00:002012-10-28T11:38:47.815+00:00Fear I think would be a sound second power.. I lik...Fear I think would be a sound second power.. I like Shackle and I totes dig your reason for the thought, but I think if you are going to have something.. it may as well work! Just show some self restraint! <br /><br />RE Bastion! WTF? Why not just an Aegis? Save a few points for Melta Bombs on all your sergeants? This at least provides you with some way of dealing with heavy armour.. <br /><br />You remember in one of your last few points you were talking about the meta moving in circles.. this list with medium strength Dakka will bring back a land raider! <br /><br />The same comments re armour and people reacting to getting more shots in vs anti infantry will result in more heavy armour and some kind of mech come back.. I'd be interested in seeing how this does.. <br /><br />I do think a Priest would be useful (bastion) and that perhaps a Scout unit may be useful for the Aegis? Just a thought. The Priest mainly due to your low body count... Cause all those guns that target infantry will shred yours.. <br /><br />Baals are good. I am a fan, but in 5th it was without sponsons, now I guess they are useful and add more firepower. <br /><br />I would be tempted to mix up the TLAC for a couple of las/plas, but I totally get the theme. <br /><br />On the Vindicator.. I'd be more tempted by 2 than just 1..tbh, I'd run 3.. but they are incapable of targeting fliers so maybe not such as good shout a the minute. <br /><br />I would say that with such a strength/plethora of Cron Fliers the Haywire Crypteks that are SOOOO common they will strip the shit out of your heavy armour, as long as you are more than 6" on the board, they'll get you. But hey ho.. <br /><br />I think it can deal with a lot of armies that are out there right now, I do think speed is an advantage, but I think that it has serious limitations...but nothing in the game can handle everything perfectly.. <br /><br />Nice to see them back on boards.. Venerable Brotherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07216367267460059729noreply@blogger.com