tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1742113396089797587.post2777176643378260833..comments2024-02-12T08:18:40.120+00:00Comments on Sons of Sanguinius: Wolves: Up Close and Personal or Balanced?Venerable Brotherhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07216367267460059729noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1742113396089797587.post-54775503651961947272011-10-31T10:38:33.794+00:002011-10-31T10:38:33.794+00:00The big Wolf Guard squad does a few things. First...The big Wolf Guard squad does a few things. Firstly it can advance on foot with Logan and Rune Priest attached pumping out four 8+1 shots and D6 7+1 shots at armour. I can farm out some Wolf Guard if need be and fit the unit into a pod to get it where I want if need be i.e on an objective, cover or to get some nice flank shots and set up a cross fire with the Long Fangs.<br /><br />Can I deal with Deathstars? Yea I do what wolves do best. Sit tight, use my Fire power advantage and Counter attack. 30+ bodies 4 fists, 2 lone wolves and Logan with +1 attack from his battle howl can hurt anything. Stick those Lone Wolves out front and laugh as that Raider tries to squeeze through without getting too close to them chain fists. <br /><br />The small Wolf Guard unit is primarily a back field unit that offers missile support but also threatens any power or Terminator armour that gets through my lines. I have sometimes allocated the Cyclone out from this unit to the Long Fangs and advanced the other 4 Combi plasmas forward with the Grey Hunters and other Wolf Guard.Bradimus Primehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16338358016421779720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1742113396089797587.post-81588503320251554102011-10-31T07:21:23.564+00:002011-10-31T07:21:23.564+00:00@Brad - nice bit of Loganwing there mate. Do the G...@Brad - nice bit of Loganwing there mate. Do the GH just push with the 2nd WG pack following and supporting with missile fire. <br />You have the Drop Pod attached to big WG pack. Is that the case, it seems the bigger pack would be better supporting the GH push, with the smaller pack providing the "drop-shot"? <br /><br />@Anonymous 1 - Whilst solid, I do think that list falls into the danger zones that I myself fell into, namely...no baby sitter unit, if you want to claim a home objective, you have to leave a whole pack behind, now thats ok as you are leaving 2 lasplas razors behind, but that is 300 points you are claiming home with, where half that would do the job...leading into...your forward push not having quite enough bite...hence the TWC in my first list.. HOWEVER, it is still strong.. <br /><br />@Anonymous 2 - few issues here bud. Mainly troops. 4 small sqauds are not good enough. They will bedemeched and slaughtered in 2/3 games where they really matter and in KP games, they are 8 easy KPs.. due to their size..you talk down to Anon1 regarding staying power and then throw out a list that doesn't have any! <br />MM Dreads? wtf? your GH should and are geared for short range Melta action, but with Autocannon Dreads you can have a real impact straight off the bat. Although I am a fan of mid ranged melta so we'll leave that.. <br />Speeders I have always found to be useful..the full TWC pack is no more effective in CC than my 2 Lone Wolves and 2 Wolf Claw TWC when combined, and in fact can be overkill in some circumstances, this is where I can be flexible and hit present different targets and hit different threats in varying areas of the board. The fact is, by presenting several threats I can suck up the enemy threat vectors, reducing their firepower at more critical targets. <br />The 3 WG in LasPlas, very Stelek, can be useful, but overall just easy to kill ...you are still only presenting 5 AV11 hulls and a couple of dreads running behind.. your Dreads will be in cover, but my Lone Wolves will be invisible.. <br />I think you have misinterpreted my own lists, indeed Anon1's as well and overestimated what you have built. I'm not slating you bud, I think it could be a credible army and will give it a go... cheersVennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1742113396089797587.post-70907625750790260882011-10-31T03:12:20.615+00:002011-10-31T03:12:20.615+00:00To the. Above poster, I. Think your falling into t...To the. Above poster, I. Think your falling into the same trap every SW list has fallen into in the recent past. Mainly proliferation of units to the detriment of staying power and hitting ability. To the above poster you need to think of a few things building the list.<br />Can I handle a deathstar?<br />Can I handle 10 plus AV11 hulls <br />Can I present a credible CC Threat<br />Can I present a credible shooting threat?<br />I don't think any of the above lists can fill all those ideals. <br />With that being said I recommend<br />Rune Priest MMurderous hurricane. LLightning chooser<br />2 x MM dreads<br />2x GH plasma Lasplas razors w/attached WG with Combi Plas<br />2 x 5 GH melta in rhino w/attached WG with Combi Melta<br />2 x MM speeders<br />1 x Full TWC pack<br />3 x LF packs with 5 ML with BP&CCW Attached WG<br />Wolf Guard pack with 3 combi plasma in lasplasrazorAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1742113396089797587.post-33245991344744883522011-10-31T02:05:49.446+00:002011-10-31T02:05:49.446+00:00To the OP list one is far superior to the other bu...To the OP list one is far superior to the other but I feel it could us some tweaking to take it to the next level. Try this<br /><br />Rune Priest.chooser Jaws LL 110<br />Wolf guard 2 with combi plasma 3 with combi melta pfist 155<br />Lone Wolf TDA storm shield chainfist 2 wolves 105<br />Lone Wolf TDAvstorm shield chainfist 2 wolves 105<br />7 GH, melta. Banner rhino 155<br />7 GH, melta, Banner rhino 155<br />7 GH, melta Banner, rhino 155<br />5 GH plasma lasplas razor 165<br />5 GH plasma lasplas razor 165<br />3 x 6 long fangs with 5 ML. 420<br />Should be close to 1750 with points to spare.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1742113396089797587.post-9398956199986467482011-10-30T21:27:26.560+00:002011-10-30T21:27:26.560+00:00Here's what I'm running at Onslaught Coy a...Here's what I'm running at Onslaught Coy and Paste time:<br /><br />HQ 1 -Logan Grimnar - (275)<br /><br />HQ 2 -Rune Priest[100]Chooser of the Slain[10]Murderous Hurricane, Living Lightning - (110)<br /><br />ELITES 1 -Lone Wolf [20] Terminator Armour [25] Chainfist [25] Storm Shield [15] - (85)<br /><br />ELITES 2 -Lone Wolf [20] Terminator Armour [25] Chainfist [25] Storm Shield [15] - (85)<br /><br />TROOPS 1 - (345)<br />Wolf Guard Pack<br />WG1 - Power Armour, Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon -[18]<br />WG2 - Power Armour, Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon -[18]<br />WG3 - Power Armour, Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon -[18]<br />WG4 - Power Armour, Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon -[18]<br />WG5 - Power Armour, Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon -[18]<br />WG6 - Power Armour, Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon -[18]<br />WG7 - Power Armour, Combi Melta, Powerfist - [43]<br />WG8 - Power Armour, Combi Melta, Powerfist - [43]<br />WG9 - Terminator Armour, Chainfist, Storm Bolter, Cyclone Missile Launcher -[78]<br />WG10- Terminator Armour, Powerfist, Storm Bolter, Cyclone Missile Launcher -[73]<br /><br />TROOPS 2 - (160)<br />Wolf Guard Pack <br />WG1 - Power Armour, Combi Plasma, Close Combat Weapon [23]<br />WG2 - Power Armour, Combi Plasma, Close Combat Weapon [23]<br />WG3 - Power Armour, Combi Plasma, Close Combat Weapon [23]<br />WG4 - Power Armour, Combi Plasma, Close Combat Weapon [23]<br />WG5 - Terminator Armour, Combi Plasma, Power Weapon [68]<br /><br />TROOPS 3, 7 Grey Hunters [105] Meltagun [5] Wolf Standard [10] Mark of Wulfen [15] - (135)<br /><br />TROOPS 4, 7 Grey Hunters [105] Meltagun [5] Wolf Standard [10] Mark of Wulfen [15] - (135)<br /><br />HEAVY 1 - 6 Long Fangs [90]Pack Leader [0] 5 Missile Launchers [50]- (140)<br /><br />HEAVY 2 - 6 Long Fangs [90]Pack Leader [0] 3 Missile Launchers [30] 2 Lascannons [50] - (170)<br /><br />DEDICATED TRANSPORT 1 (TROOPS 1) - Drop Pod [35] <br />DEDICATED TRANSPORT 2 (TROOPS 3) - Rhino [35] Dozer Blade [5] - (40) <br />DEDICATED TRANSPORT 3 (TROOPS 4) - Rhino [35] - (35)<br /><br /><br />Its a bit of a Loganwing\Mech hyrid list but its been working really well. The Big Wolf Guard squad add so much flexibility and can put some pain down with tank hunting Cyclones. <br /><br />The thing it does lack though it some sort of throw away melta unit but I'm thinking to drop a wulfen to add three combi meltas into the Wolf Guard pack.Bradimus Primehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16338358016421779720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1742113396089797587.post-9392264881112123322011-10-30T20:05:02.370+00:002011-10-30T20:05:02.370+00:00C'mon then bro, how does it differ? You can...C'mon then bro, how does it differ? You can't tease like that bud. Yeah, the lone wolves are always a nuisance...Venerable Brotherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07216367267460059729noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1742113396089797587.post-56192324256122384402011-10-30T19:24:26.974+00:002011-10-30T19:24:26.974+00:00I'm actually not doing too bad with my current...I'm actually not doing too bad with my current list and playstyle which is a far cry from what people are used to seeing me use on the blog. <br /><br />Lone wolves are just epic, I've left them behind before and I've vowed never to do so again, they can be such massive pains in the ass it funny.Bradimus Primehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16338358016421779720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1742113396089797587.post-1690127399867991752011-10-30T19:11:08.978+00:002011-10-30T19:11:08.978+00:00Haha, cheers Brad.. sooo, enjoying GK opposition t...Haha, cheers Brad.. sooo, enjoying GK opposition then bud? :)Vennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1742113396089797587.post-41302308671442424632011-10-30T14:06:38.557+00:002011-10-30T14:06:38.557+00:00List 1 all the way mate, two Lone Wolves really pi...List 1 all the way mate, two Lone Wolves really piss people off especially those Gay ass Grey Knight players when they desperately try and stop them with Gaycannons and Gayflemen Dreads ;)Bradimus Primehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16338358016421779720noreply@blogger.com