tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1742113396089797587.post1593761799658300531..comments2024-02-12T08:18:40.120+00:00Comments on Sons of Sanguinius: Grey Knights - building an army list in two halvesVenerable Brotherhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07216367267460059729noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1742113396089797587.post-7177501740745212512011-04-07T15:06:23.000+01:002011-04-07T15:06:23.000+01:00Ooh and Daemons with Breath! (in reference to smal...Ooh and Daemons with Breath! (in reference to small clumps of marines dying in one go) <br /><br />If going second would you man up and try for Shrouding and cover from terrain? or all reserves and roll on shooting? Use Reserves denial for a turn?Venerable Brotherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07216367267460059729noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1742113396089797587.post-9050442640041319312011-04-07T15:04:21.147+01:002011-04-07T15:04:21.147+01:00Was speaking generally...as a tool. Or a danger. b...Was speaking generally...as a tool. Or a danger. bugger all being fearless for an elite army = danger will robinson! <br /><br />Its only Purifiers that are fearless right? Not even Paladins.. <br /><br />the dying from not running with power armour typically only happens vs IG with demo vets, artillery, BA with fast vindicators or um...plasma cannons if someone decides its a good idea to run one of those?!? so, whilst I can see your point, I'm not sure its that likely. <br /><br />You know what, I'm just not sure you want half on and half off. <br /><br />Simple as that. <br /><br />Too much firepower to be concentrated on half a force. Even with toys, they are just marines. They die like marines, to weight of fire. And plasma. And chuffin' lasguns. And whatever shoots at them....."33% of the time, they die every time!" to quote Brian Fantana...Venerable Brotherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07216367267460059729noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1742113396089797587.post-37170840906082421382011-04-07T12:53:56.231+01:002011-04-07T12:53:56.231+01:00that's true as well, though with an inquisitor...that's true as well, though with an inquisitor you are Ld10 and stubborn, so you ignore the -2.Atreideshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05304081312256836817noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1742113396089797587.post-47409090692296663422011-04-07T12:40:15.933+01:002011-04-07T12:40:15.933+01:00And not fearelss... Fear the Darkness vs Grey Knig...And not fearelss... Fear the Darkness vs Grey Knights for the win!!Venerable Brotherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07216367267460059729noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1742113396089797587.post-75674524094577141252011-04-07T12:31:11.149+01:002011-04-07T12:31:11.149+01:00interesting thoughts.
i suppose instead of taki...interesting thoughts. <br /> <br />i suppose instead of taking purfiers you could take 4 or 5 squads of 5 GK's with a PsyC each and drop those in with a dreadknight. <br /><br />i am not sure i like the idea of having power armoured dudes dropping in and then not running. marines tend to die quite badly when that happens. of course, unlike termies, you dont really want those marines getting in combat so you could deep strike at a safer distance and shoot. <br /><br />something about a big unit of termies just doesnt sit right with me though. its too vulnerable to bad luck maybe. or perhaps too inflexible?Atreideshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05304081312256836817noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1742113396089797587.post-31397181580603032792011-04-07T07:11:55.253+01:002011-04-07T07:11:55.253+01:00I think that is an option. but more points sunk in...I think that is an option. but more points sunk into hQ...As I saod...the switching of Atreides second half and first half was just s suggestion, I think the termies are more survivable at range for first couple of turns..Venerable Brotherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07216367267460059729noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1742113396089797587.post-73284661447940643052011-04-06T22:09:21.356+01:002011-04-06T22:09:21.356+01:00I am just playing around with numbers now around t...I am just playing around with numbers now around that @ 1750 not quite getting the bodies I want, I am looking back towards Atr list again, think its a good base to work off.<br /><br />I think Paladins can work, maybe in tandem with that other GKT dropping? <br /><br />Ven are you also meaning bring in the GKSS/Purifiers from reserve in that list? I think that's a good idea when combining it with a GKM giving units scout (outflank) - and he still has psy communication.Bullyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18376322430128578637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1742113396089797587.post-55825925839700693342011-04-06T22:02:35.091+01:002011-04-06T22:02:35.091+01:00What about Paladins? Durable hammer, can be scorin...What about Paladins? Durable hammer, can be scoring through Grand Master? Still keep one Inq...Venerable Brotherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07216367267460059729noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1742113396089797587.post-74800185670246716692011-04-06T22:01:29.118+01:002011-04-06T22:01:29.118+01:00I don't think it's the best list out there...I don't think it's the best list out there for termies in GK context. <br />Just a suggestion... not the defintitive list mate.<br />Still not enough shots for my liking, nor enough bodies or vehicles...not enough scoring units really either...Venerable Brotherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07216367267460059729noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1742113396089797587.post-75585943861872996272011-04-06T21:51:11.404+01:002011-04-06T21:51:11.404+01:00Ven. Stolen.
Bam thats the terminator list I was ...Ven. Stolen.<br /><br />Bam thats the terminator list I was looking for. Now to make them as pretty as possible. lalalalal. <br /><br />Btw anyone got advice/tutorial links on how to reposition terminator legs?Bullyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18376322430128578637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1742113396089797587.post-3658026036684726962011-04-06T21:06:03.817+01:002011-04-06T21:06:03.817+01:00Great concept mate, I’m sure the idea can work, bu...Great concept mate, I’m sure the idea can work, but as you say the starting half needs to be very durable. <br />My thoughts revolve around swapping the troop halves around. <br />Is there a case for the Terminators to be more survivable than the 10 GKSS and their Rhino? <br />I think there is. <br />If you doubled up the termies into one squad (with 2 cannons, 8 Halberds, 1 Sword and 1 Hammer?) and attached a single Xenos Inquisitor (XInq) and then make one real change.. lose the second XInq and buy a Librarian with Shrouding. Add the plasma siphon to the the XInq and psychotroke grenades and voila! <br />You have a very mean, incredibly durable hammer unit. <br />That is scoring. <br />And relentless with stealth. Get them marching upfield and bombing away with Psycannons. <br />Now, I know you have lost a threat vector, but I truly believe these boys are more survivable. <br /><br />Cost increase? 94 point XInq up to 175 point Libbie, stick to shrouding and warp rift for lol’s, then whack in a teleport homer for deep striking the second wave right next to the termies. <br /><br />The Libbie and Xinq can soak up small arms fire, and taking advantage of cover means the boys will have a 3++ cover most of the time…when needed. <br /><br />You probably can’t rock double purifiers and the 10 man SS too, unless of course you drop the dreadknight………. and replace with something slightly smaller… maybe 100 to play with rather than 160… <br /><br />Big drawbacks to my interpretation? Less reliable reserves, no scratchbuilt dreadknight. <br />Still only 2 troops squads, no matter how tough one may be, or how ‘in reserve’ the other. <br />Only 30 marines. <br />Shit, that’s not bad actually. <br />Still the same 5 vehicles, but these can use cover and shrouding where possible to increase their survivability. <br /><br />Although a side note on lack of saturation vs fortitude/shrouding etc… watching a few games here and there, and BOD/Steve’s game vs Justin’s Dark Elder last night…you still need to play extremely cleverly/efficiently or get more hulls on table!!Venerable Brotherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07216367267460059729noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1742113396089797587.post-83756949819224645162011-04-06T20:58:23.365+01:002011-04-06T20:58:23.365+01:00yay, a response. and here i was thinking i had fl...yay, a response. and here i was thinking i had floored you all with my brilliance... just noticed that force swords only grant a 4++ in combat so i'm thinking maybe halberds are better, since they are free for termies.Atreideshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05304081312256836817noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1742113396089797587.post-22399400787599149612011-04-06T20:51:13.447+01:002011-04-06T20:51:13.447+01:00Thinking the concept is good for sure, I think res...Thinking the concept is good for sure, I think reserve manipulation is something that GK's can do well. <br /><br />Starting with decent amount of AV on the table for saturation, should be ok, and reliable and hefty reserves - going 1st I cant see being an issue, ploughing forward and getting 20 marines into midfield + then the armour saturation on top of that. <br /><br />I am sure I'll get to see it closely enough soon - I'll be taking note as terminator/DS/Reserve list is something I quite fancy (as you know)Bullyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18376322430128578637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1742113396089797587.post-17373003787865693092011-04-06T10:30:33.259+01:002011-04-06T10:30:33.259+01:00Copy and Paste is your friend Ven, I have learned ...Copy and Paste is your friend Ven, I have learned this the hard way too. I feel your pain bro.Bradimus Primehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16338358016421779720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1742113396089797587.post-89894873045118009402011-04-06T07:15:44.827+01:002011-04-06T07:15:44.827+01:00I just spent the best part of 20 minutes over morn...I just spent the best part of 20 minutes over morning tea and bagel writing a really in depth, thoughtful response to this.. <br /><br />Blogger says no. <br /><br />Fucking computers. <br /><br />I will retype later when I have the time! Fuck sake.Venerable Brotherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07216367267460059729noreply@blogger.com